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∂30-AUG-74 1023 FOO,DBA
Could [100,100] not be allowed to SEND? Some bagbiter SENT me a note
yesterday saying " what is COPY, everyone is using it". I told him to
fuck off and he sent me several more notes, even though I killed his
parent several times. Today he sent me another note. Logged in from
RADC-Tip by the way. I would suggest that neither not-logged-in nor
[NET,GUE] be allowed to SEND or MAIL. If the person doesn't have login
privileges somewhere on the net then he shouldn't be mailing - or even
using the TIP.
Bruce Anderson
␈ CC: reg;jbr;jmc;les
∂30-AUG-74 0144 network site SRI
Date: 30 AUG 1974 0144-PDT
From: GEOFF at SRI-AI
Subject: 'UNKNOWN'
To: JMC at SU-AI
SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOUR MESSAGE YOU SENT, BUT I WAS OUT OF THE
ROOM, WHEN THE HOT WAS RUNNING. SINCE THE NET,GUE GOT RIPPED OF (AND
I DON'T BLAME YOU ONE BIT AFTER WHAT I7V HEARD THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH)
(AS I ALSO, HAVE SIMMILER PROBLEMS HERE WITH NETWORK FREAKS
RAMPAGING THROUGH THE SYSTEM). I HAD ONE OF MY FRIENDS UP AT SAIL
DO ME A FAVOR BY LOGGIN IN LOCALY, AND SETTING A PASSWORD SO I
COULD LOGIN FROM THE NET, AND CHAT WITH PEOPLE THERE, AS I DID WITH
GUE FROM TIME TO TIME, ALSO I LIKE TO GET A LOOK AT THE NEWS IN THE
NIGHTS AND SEE WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON DURING THE DAY. IF I COULD BE
MADE A 'KNOWN' USER, IT WOULD PROBLY BE BETTER. I DON7T KNOW OF
ANY PEOPLE AROUND HERE WHO HAVE ACCOUNTS UP THERE, BUT THERE ARE ABOUT
4 OF SAIL PEOPLE WHO HAVE COURTISY ACCOUNTS HERE, WOULD IT BE POSSABE
TO SET UP ON THERE IN EXCHANGE, TO COPY DOCUMENTS, AND OTHER TID-BITS
WHEN THEY COME OUT, AS WELL AS OTHER SAIL FEATURES?
GEOFF GOODFELLOW GEOFF@SRI-AI
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∂29-AUG-74 0119 EXP,JMG
Proposal to JMC on JMG's experiment.
The experiment which I am running has listeners interactively tune
the pitches, loudnesses, and perceived durations of various
instruments to sound equal to one another. This requires the use of
the computer because of the needed interaction. It is the only one
of my planned experiments which have necessitated such an on-line
ability, and in fact, represents the first such experiment which has
ever been done. In essence, the computer opens up the possibility
for such a complex, interactive control in perceptual experimentation,
and this is a point we would like to demonstrate in our NSF proposal
in psychobiology.
The reason for this matching experiment is to prepare a set of tones
which are equalized in perceived pitch, loudness, and duration and
can be used in taped experiments on timbre perception, my
dissertation project. I expect that, at most, I have about 6 more
hours of this remaining, i.e. six more listeners to measure. I have
scheduled them around Bruce, and most are coming in this weekend.
That would take care of the experiment, allowing me to go on to the
non-interactive taped studies.
I have been made aware of the problems which this has brought out,
and have been trying to meet each problem with a suitable
modification of the experiment program.
They revolve about the XGP, which must be assigned in order to play
sounds and not ruin someone's simultaneous listing. I therefore made
my program assign, and wait to assign, the device before each
interaction, and give it up after each interaction (an interaction
lasting 4 seconds). I have just found out that this is not enough
for the XGP spooler, however, because it does not wait to get the
device if it finds it in use. Now, I am also looking to see if there
is something in the XPG spooler's que, and if so, waiting until it
has been spooled.
I regret the inconveniences which I have caused. Is there anything
else I could tell you about this project?
JMG.
∂29-AUG-74 0046 ACT,REG
∂29-AUG-74 0034 100,100 AT TTY122
THIS IS A GRIPE ABOUT YOUR NOT LETTING GUEST USE YOUR
MACHINE...IF YOU DIDNT LIKE THEM PLAYING CHESS AND GO ALL THE TIME
YOU SHOULD HEVE JUST SLAP A RESTRICTION ON THE GUEST ACCOUNT...
I KNOW THIS WOULD TAKE TIME BUT YOU ARE NOW PUTTING A BURDEN ON THE
OTHER HOSTS WITH FREE ACCOUNTS...NOW LIGTIMENT USERS LIKE MYSELF
HAVE TO GET USE TO AN INFERIOR SYSTEM ON ACCOUNT OF YOU PEOPLES
LAZINESS....SANTA CLAUS WILL NOT LOOK APON YOU IN GOOD SPIRITS THIS
YEAR....π π π π π
∂28-AUG-74 2355 ACT,REG
In the period of June 1 to date, [NET,GUE] accounted for
4.7% of all doubloons charged during that period. Other guests, I have
no idea what that includes, accounted for 9.3% of all "charges". I suggest
that flushing NET,GUE is not appropriate, in since more than twice that much
is being spent by your other guests. Also other "worthwhile" activities
account for significantly more time than the guest account.
␈ CC: les;jmc
∂28-AUG-74 1236 4,KMC AT TTY31 1236
WE ARE IMPLEMENTING A WAY OF SEEING HOW MUCH CPU
TIME PARRY TAKES WHEN RUN ON THE NET. IN A FEW
WEEKS WE SHOULD HAVE SOME USEFUL NUMBERS.
∂27-AUG-74 1225 network site ISI
Date: 27 AUG 1974 1225-PDT
From: ARPA-IPT at USC-ISI
Subject: ADDRESS REQUEST
To: ARPA IPTO PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS:
THE ARPA IPT OFFICE WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING THE HOME ADDRESSES
AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS OF ITS PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS, TO
PROVIDE A HANDY REFERENCE WHEN NEEDED. IF THIS IS AGREEABLE TO
YOU, PLEASE SNDMSG THIS INFORMATION FOR US. THANK YOU
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∂26-AUG-74 1607 NS,ME
Use GAP[NS,ME] now if you want NY TIMES and other soon-to-be-released
features (like new headline format). Default wire modes are: /-AP/NYT
∂24-AUG-74 1318 network site AI
From: MINSKY@MIT-AI 08/24/74 16:18:33
yes, mit is affected by parking, but i will find out details.
I have not heard of any organized resistance.
∂23-AUG-74 1407 FOO,DBA
In some ways NS is less useful to me than APE:
1. No multiple-word keys. Thus I get NEW_LONDON and NEW_ENGLAND
as well as LONDON and ENGLAND.
2. Poor word-endings heuristic. Word endings are stripped off
so that cognate words often "match". But under the scheme WALES matches
WALL!
Today in a story list of 15 stories, 7 were stories I didn't want to read,
1 due to reason one (can't tell it what I want), and 6 for reason two (it
doesn't care anyway!).
␈ CC: jmc;me
∂23-AUG-74 1212 1,BH
Is it ok to provide Peter Conklin at DEC with a DECtape of our A.P.
news programs? They have a UPI wire there and are interested in
setting up a facility like ours.
∂20-AUG-74 1808 network site BBN
Date: 20 AUG 1974 2058-EDT
From: LICKLIDER at BBN-TENEX
Subject: Bajcsy
To: McCarthy at SU-AI, JMC at SU-AI
cc: Licklider
Message received. I'll see what the system will do/
tolerate and let you know asap. Hope all goes well with you.
Regards
Lick
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∂20-AUG-74 1215 network site ISI
Date: 20 AUG 1974 1113-PDT
From: CROCKER at USC-ISI
Subject: Ruzena Bajcsy
To: JMC at SU-AI
cc: Crocker
John,
I received your message and will bring it to
Lick's attention. I think he reads his mail
regularly thesedays, but is often
slowto respond.
Steve
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∂20-AUG-74 0856 1,DEK
Schukin will be admitted t{ start in Sept. (MS program), next spring
we will decide whether he should go into PhD program. He will probably
ask you for an assistantship at AI.
∂16-AUG-74 0714 1,TAG
THE NY LINE CAN BE HAD IN THE INTERIM BY RUNNING NYTST[1,TAG] (1 USER AT A TIME)
∂15-AUG-74 1241 HAL,HE
There is now a file DISTRI[HAL,HE] which contains the names (& addresses)
of people who should get (or who want) a copy of the HAL memo ... Bob
␈ CC: @HAL:JAF,RCB,RF,LOU,RHT,[HAL,HE],BBM,JMC,JH
∂14-AUG-74 2352 1,TAG
ok if i drop the tty scanner for an hour or less to install ny circuit?
∂14-AUG-74 2053 HAL,HE
HAL raisers ... I have started to incorporate various files into
MEMO.DOC ... so far I have taken over 4R.DOC ... as I gobble
files, I'll mark them NOT TO BE UPDATED ... please make
corrections in MEMO.DOC which is now declared to be the
`original' ... I am intentionally leaving some of the files
separate (eg. 4RADD.DOC) so everyone won't be trying to edit
the same file at once.
Check the `DETAILED OUTLINE' in MEMO.DOC to see what has
to be done yet ... feel free to comment on the outline.
... also DISCUSS.DOC is available for suggested topics for
Friday morning's meeting
Bob
␈ CC: @HAL:JAF,RCB,RF,LOU,RHT,[HAL,HE],BBM,JMC,JH
∂14-AUG-74 1328 HAL,HE
MEETING FRIDAY TO DISCUSS THE PAPER. 9:30 AM.
∂13-AUG-74 1406 1,PJH
hi john. thanks for your message. Id certainly appreciate any references
you dig up. I appreciate youtr concern for dynamics, but feel it is
also necessary to consider "static" structure if only to adequately
describe the effects of actions on them. For example, causality seems
to me to be basically to do with the way the (static) world is
arranged, ie its aproperty of the physical world that causal chains
are usually short and predictable(in some sense), NOT a property
of actions. cf. my MI6 paper. I got onto substances by thinking
about actions like painting things, and spilling liguids, and
drinkimg.
On a tolally different subject, . Your lab has been been breeding
some notorious "anti← logic" people, like Wilks especially. What
do you thimnk of these virulent attacks on logic? i f you have
any notes against them i would be very interested. I think wilks,
and minsky too, are very confused about what is meant by logic,
and that is the root problem. But maybe you are not
interested in all this debating? it certainly occupies a lot of to time.
more axioms coming soon(within a wweek)
pathayes
∂12-AUG-74 2143 1,TVR
I didn't realize i was being TALKed to as i was in a TALK ring at CMU. I used
TELNET because i can save the conversation ion a file, as i am using a
GT40 here and the old stuff scrolls off to be lost forever otherwise.
∂12-AUG-74 2140 1,TVR AT TTY121 2140
It is indeed I, Tovar. I'm calling from Berkeley, thru a tie line
chain. UCB→UCLA→USC-TIP. It happens to be the easiest way to get onto
the net from here. The other route is not publicized and i discovered by
experimentation: UCB→LBL→LLL→SU-AI, but the modem on this end is flakey
and doesn't echo probly over that link.
Tovar
∂09-AUG-74 1651 B,BBM
Add ' to the list of characters used in the macroprocessor
∂09-AUG-74 1619 B,BBM
I am currently using the following special characters for the scanner
and macro-expander:
⊂ ⊃ $ % <Backspace>
Please complain if you feel some of them will be needed for some other purpose.
∂09-AUG-74 1227 R,AJT
no, metaphsics is the study of the constraints on knowledge of the world, not
on the structure of the world (at least if one is a Kantian).
arthur.
∂08-AUG-74 1711 1,JI AT TTY123 1711
/m
John - Les indicated I should contact you relative to questions
about your NS. I am amazed at the apparent speed of the new version
and would be very much interested to better understand how you
achieve the search sped.
From an uninformed point-of-view, it appears that you invert on
every word in a dictionary; and yet, I would find this difficult
to believe.
Aside from the intellectual interest in the techniques of your
implementation, I spend a great deal of time attempting to
transfer ARPANet technology within assorted local, state, and
Government agencies.
May I forward expressions of REAL interest to you.
Lastly, from my brief exposure to your NS, I find it [from a user
point of view] an excellent and most worthwhile achievement.
Looking forward to a better level of understanding,
Jean Iseli [JI at SU-ai or iseli at ISI]
∂07-AUG-74 0557 P,JRA
SORRY FOR THE DELAY ON MY LISP NOTES..WAITING FOR XPG. ANY WORD ON 206?
∂06-AUG-74 1306 HAL,HE
ALL MESSAGES DIRECTED TO [HAL,HE] SHOULD BE SAVED
IN SAVED.MSG BY USE OF RCV AND THE T COMMAND. THIS SHOULD
BE DONE BY THE SENDER AFTER A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
RF
␈ CC: @HAL:JAF,RCB,RF,LOU,RHT,[HAL,HE],BBM,JMC,JH
∂06-AUG-74 1213 HAL,HE
HAL raisers ... There are the following files on [HAL,HE] which
you should be aware of, read, and make additions to:
DISCUS.DOC --- the list of topics to be discussed
MEMO.DOC --- the file where `finished' portions of the
memo should be placed ... under the correct
heading
XMPLES.DOC --- a file containing longer `complete' examples
which hopefully will cover most of the features
of HAL ... employed on "real" problems ...
this is to keep the USER's coding style in mind
Reminders: Please try to tutor everyone on you latest syntax/semantics
The first drafts should be in by Friday
Add you references to the bibliography in MEMO.DOC
SIMILARLY add any problems which we have discussed, but
put off to later generations
... BOB
␈ CC: @HAL:JAF,RCB,RF,LOU,RHT,[HAL,HE],BBM,JMC,JH
∂06-AUG-74 1205 0,BGB
The Graduate Studies Office says that you should call the
chairman of my orals committee, Robert M. Gray E.E. x74001 to tell
him that the examination is at the lab and how to get here etc...
that that is more polite than if I called him. BGB.
∂05-AUG-74 0300 1,RWG AT TTY41 0300
we think baisley is indeed in sweden, phone
(011 046 08) 679280
∂04-AUG-74 2013 1,TAG
WHICH DIRECTION OF COMMUNICATION ARE YOU REFERRING TO??
∂03-AUG-74 1244 285,TW
i cwon't be able to make it sunday night. any other
night next week is ok. i'll try to call in case you
con't read this message in time. --terry
∂1-AUG-74 1349 network site ISI
Date: 1 AUG 1974 1339-PDT
From: LICKLIDER at USC-ISI
Subject: REQUEST FOR SUGGESTIONS PERTINENT TO PROPOSED NEW PROGRAM
To: FREDKIN.MAC at MULTICS, CLARK at BBN, JMC at SU-AI,
To: NEWELL at CMU-10A, SUTHERLAND at BBN, HEART at BBN,
To: HART at SRI-AI, WEINER at RAND-RCC, UNCAPHER, KAHN, CROCKER,
To: CARLSTROM, FIELDS, WINSTON at MIT-AI, MINSKY at MIT-AI,
To: AV at DMS
cc: RUSSELL, LICKLIDER
MAL CURRIE, DIR OF DEFENSE
RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING, HAS ASKED ARPA
WHETHER ARPA HAS PLANS IN AND/OR IS INTERESTED IN
NEW PROGRAM IN VERY LARGE MEMORIES OR STORES OR DATA BASES. WE HAVE BEEN
EXPLORING AREA OF VERY LARGE DATA BASES, MAINLY FROM SOFTWARE POINT OF VIEW.
EVIDENTLY, CURRIE IS THINKING ABOUT
MEMORIES, MAINLY FROM HARDWARE POINT
OF VIEW BUT SEES THE POINT THAT SOFTWARE WILL BE
AT LEAST HALF THE PROBLEM. pWE WERE THINKING OF NEXT-GENERATION SYSTEMS IN RANGE OF 10 TO THE 10TH TO 10 TO THE
13TH BITS. HE IS THINKING TWO GENERATIONS OUT, WITH NO HOLDS BARRED. EVEN
ESOTERIC NEURONAL NETWORKS THAT MIGHT BE PUT
ON CHIPS, OR CELLULAR AUTOMATA, OR GOLD
FIBRES, OR WHATEVER. IT IS EMBARASSING TO
FIND THAT ARPA, WITH ITS PRIDE IN LOOKING FAR OUT,
HAS TO BE PRODDED OUT OF THE NEARTERM INTO THE
GENERATION BEYOND.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS MESSAGE IS TO
REQUEST ANY INPUT THAT YOU MAY HAVE TOWARD THE
PREPARATION OF AN INITIAL RESPONSE
TO CURRIE, WHICH WE WANT TO MAKE ON TUESDAY,
OR TOWARD A FULLER RESPONSE, WHICH WE
WANT TO MAKE THE MONDAY FOLLOWING.
IT WOULD HELP EVEN TO HAVE THE THOUGHTS IN THE
TOP OF YOUR MIND. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE
A PAGE OR TWO OF CONSIDERED ADVICE. MAYBE
THE TWO MAY BE THE SAME. THE THING IS,
THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNTIY FOR ARPA AND THE COMMUNITY,AND I DO NOT WANT TO MISS ANY GOOD
IDEAS. PLEASE REPLY TO LICKLIDER@ISI
AS SOON AS YOU CONVENIENTLY CAN OR
GIVE ME A CALL IF DISCUSSION IS NEEDED---
202 OXFORD 4-4001, WHICH IS
A NEW TELEPHONE NUMBER.
REGARDS
LICK
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∂01-AUG-74 1022 HAL,HE
Just a reminder that your first drafts to be included in the HAL memo
are due Wednesday (Aug. 7) !!! To motivate (&/∨ publically embarrass)
the slower writers I suggest we have a meeting Tuesday at 9:30 AM ...
(complaints about the time to RCB) ... WRITE ON
CC: @HAL:JAF,RCB,RF,LOU,RHT,[HAL,HE],BBM,JMC
∂27-AUG-74 2247 R,WD
I was at the house about 10 PM. Any signs of someone having
been in are due to me.
I have borrowed you blue down jacket from the shed. I will return
it by the weekend.
Mary and I are going climbing for the next couple of days. e will
definately be back in time to get Sarah on Sunday.
If you need us for any reason, we will be at (415)JOU-RNEY until
midday tomorrow and at (209)781-1445 tomorrow night.
Thanks,
Whit
∂23-AUG-74 0210 0,BGB
JOHN GREY IS RUNNING A GROUP OF PEOPLE THROUGH AN INTERACTIVE
PSYCHOLOGY ACOUSTIC EXPERIMENT THAT MONOPOLIZES THE PDP-6 SO
THAT I CANNOT USE THE XGP. DO I HAVE ANY WAY TO APPEAL THIS
ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES ?